Curse

Zach1188 · Sep 21, 2008, 10:29 PM // 22:29

I have prophecies, and I'm trying to decide whether to buy Factions or Nightfall, and 90% of my decision will be based on whether Flesh Golem, or Shambling Horror is better, overall. I will be using my death necro only for PvE (curses in PvP), and can't decide whether I should buy Factions for golem or Nightfall for shambling horror.

Can someone tell me the pros/cons of both? I think the flesh golem would be great to get a group of minions going (for the first few corpses), but the shambling horror turning into a jagged horror when it dies sounds damn awesome, and the jagged horror causing bleeding sounds even better.

Calista Blackblood · Sep 21, 2008, 10:45 PM // 22:45

Flesh Golem

Pros:Large and high level(26 @16DM),leaves a corpse

Cons:uses an elite slot (wasteful) 30 sec recharge

Shambling:

Pros:large and high level(18 @16DM),causes bleeding,leaves a jagged horror when it dies,stacks with (Jagged Bones (NF) to produce 2 jagged horror's

Cons:long recharge

With NF you also get the benefit of Order Of Undeath and

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Originally Posted by theonetheonlybruce

with nightfall you get heros

Flesh Golem

Shambling Horror

Jagged Bones

Order Of Undeath

theonetheonlybruce · Sep 21, 2008, 10:49 PM // 22:49

id say go nightfall buying a game for 1 skill isnt all that great of a idea and with nightfall you get heros

Zach1188 · Sep 21, 2008, 11:02 PM // 23:02

So I guess shambing horror would be the better choice? Plus, if all else fails I could eventually get a hero with Flesh Golem.

Random question:
How do you get stats, like death magic, above 16? I just saw that in the wiki.

Calista Blackblood · Sep 21, 2008, 11:10 PM // 23:10

Consumables

example:Grail of Might

In all honesty nobody i know of would ever bother with stacking consumables to achieve an uber minion like that.Not really worth time or money

----Ninja Edit----
As for weapons:Ghial's Staff has an inherent 20% chance of +1DM[there might be others](modding your own weapons could be an option too)

Heros:Since you have Prophecies,(if) you got nightfall you would be able to get Olias And Ofc (see below)

Nightfall will let you unlock Master Of Whispers

This would leave your party with 3 necros (a hero is a far better minion bomber: Jagged Bones:Animate Bone Minions Death Nova +such) which would free you to run curses with :Mark of pain:Barbs:Spiteful Spirit

Flesh Golem on a hero won't be possible if you dont have factions (even via skill tome)

Improvavel · Sep 21, 2008, 11:21 PM // 23:21

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Originally Posted by Zach1188

So I guess shambing horror would be the better choice? Plus, if all else fails I could eventually get a hero with Flesh Golem.

Random question:
How do you get stats, like death magic, above 16? I just saw that in the wiki.

I don't think you can get an hero with flesh golem without having factions. Get nightfall though. 2 Necro heroes with nightfall and necro heroes are the best heroes with the game due to good energy management.

Additionally heroes are great with jagged bones and death nova.

You can get +1 death magic in a staff or focus with a 20% chance of proc.

Ben-A-BoO · Sep 21, 2008, 11:29 PM // 23:29

If you primarily do PvE then no question:
Nightfall

Pros listed above (Heroes, Shambling, [[Jagged Bones] etc.)

For PvP you'll kinda need them all in the long run ...

Zach1188 · Sep 21, 2008, 11:41 PM // 23:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by timebandit

If you primarily do PvE then no question:
Nightfall

Pros listed above (Heroes, Shambling, [[Jagged Bones] etc.)

For PvP you'll kinda need them all in the long run ...

Ok then I'll get nightfall, I was leaning that way anyway.

And in the long run, death magic isn't a good choice for PvP.

ajc2123 · Sep 22, 2008, 12:45 AM // 00:45

This is just my opinion but, Flesh golem was only an awesome skill when it first came out. The only Thing thats really good about it is decent (but slow) damage and a constant corpse. Jagged bones however, gives much more, and shambling is a nice skill also since one minion replaces the first that's destroyed.

Just my opinion.

Improvavel · Sep 22, 2008, 01:24 AM // 01:24

Now that I think about its a pity Order of Undeath is Nightfall and a great minion to run on that bar is Animate Vampiric Horror...

Oh well eventually you will end buying all

-Lotus- · Sep 22, 2008, 01:50 AM // 01:50

flesh golem is a terrible elite. it has a lower dps than horrors and it dosnt pick targets. even if you only had factions there would be better choices for a MM elite.

Chthon · Sep 22, 2008, 03:08 AM // 03:08

Neither one is a very good skill. From NF I would suggest Order of Undeath, and from Factions I would suggest Vampiric Horror. And, unfortunately for you, I suggest using those two skills together.

ammad2006 · Oct 14, 2008, 08:26 PM // 20:26

In my opinion, Flesh Golems are btter than Shamblings but I'd still get NF cuz u get oou which is GREAT mm elite skill(I prefer fleshie thogh) and u get hereos. U also get jagged bones which can be used for bomber builds. And, best of all, u get HEREOS!!!!!!!!!

Crunk N Monkey · Oct 20, 2008, 10:11 AM // 10:11

i use both, along with Vampiric Minions and the ranged minions, forget their names. I also use Spirit's Gift as well to give minor hp but more importantly remove a condition from all allies near that newly created minion.

SpiritThief · Oct 20, 2008, 11:54 AM // 11:54

Nightfall is just a better game PvE wise overall. Flesh is fun, at frist. But there much better elites to use with a MM.

snaek · Oct 20, 2008, 06:05 PM // 18:05

factions n/rt and n/a ftw!

n/d and n/p r lame!

XkristoferX · Oct 23, 2008, 08:13 PM // 20:13

Jagged Bones + hero = pwn. nuff said. get Nightfall.

X

Sheep Assassin · Nov 02, 2008, 03:13 PM // 15:13

i use flesh because its a freakin huge golem compared to a shambling horror

Xenomortis · Nov 02, 2008, 03:40 PM // 15:40

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Originally Posted by Sheep Assassin

i use flesh because its a freakin huge golem compared to a shambling horror

Isn't that a rather poor factor to make a skills decision on? - especially when it comes to wasting your elite slot.

Calista Blackblood · Nov 02, 2008, 05:14 PM // 17:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xenomortis

Isn't that a rather poor factor to make a skills decision on? - especially when it comes to wasting your elite slot.

As logical as "LFR 2 Senjis Corner,2 cap teh golem,big n strng minioonoonn"

Troll posts lack logic and intelligence anways